April 22, 2008

  • He's no Petey!

    A pitbull lives next door to us.  Should I be worried?  He is about a year old and is in a fenced-in yard.  He watches my boys play and keeps an eagle-eye on our pup's every move.  He has quite a ferocious bark.

    We never found out who or what attacked our dog, Tag, in December.  Our oldest son saw the pitbull roaming outside that day.  At that time, I did not even know he was a pitbull--I thought he was a boxer.  To me, he looked like Petey from the Little Rascals~and I thought Petey was a boxer.  It was only last week, after thinking about the sound of his bark, that I got on-line to find a picture of a pitbull.  I googled "Little Rascal's dog" and learned that Petey was a pitbull.  :(

    I have obsessed over this since then!  I think the fence is too high for him to jump over, but what if it isn't?  I tried to research on-line about our city's dog laws, but did not find anything.  Also, we are outside city limits and they may not apply to our subdivision...  I think I will call the city and ask tomorrow. 

Comments (13)

  • There are no regulations about owning pitbulls either in town or county.

    YES, be worried. My friend's sister was attacked by a pitbull last week and ended up in the hospital with many stitches (of course it didn't make the newspaper). I can give you her phone number if needed. She was attacked near Stroman.

    Just keep an eye out and make sure he's always fenced. The second that he's out, call the city pound, police and get photos. I'd raise so much hell that they would be happy to get rid of the dog to shut me up.

    MOM'S NIGHT OUT? WHEN? Much needed over here!!!

  • @Janel64 - Thank you for the information and advice--I will heed it well!

  • Be careful of how you handle this.  My sister have a "pit bull" (they prefer to say Shaffshire Terrior, however you spell it, but to me- both still is same thing).  That dog is one of most friendliest I ever met.  In this town, there's no law against pit bull but a while before that I had asked clerk what animal is forbidden within town limit and she said only pitbull (saying it verbally, never saw it on paper).  I suspect that she is making that one up.  New clerk since then and new law (on paper)- any 'mean' dog will be in trouble, any breed.  What breed most frequently bit people?  According to police, it is black lab since it is one of most popular breed.  We have one!  Yes, in this town NO dog is supposed to be running loose- that may result in a ticket.  The biggest difference is of how pitbull is being treated.  Trained to be a fighter?  Treated harshly?  Treated as loved family pet?  ANY dog can be mean, very mean.  There's one dog in this town I do NOT want to meet (I found him while delivering newspaper) and he is not a pitbull, he is doberman.  This dog was kept in garage, never loose outside on his own.  My little girl has been attacked by two different dogs.  Austrilian shepard and St. Benards.  Very thankful that it is not any worse!! and that she is not afraid of most of dogs.  Be careful of how you imply that it is that pitbull that attacked your dog last December.  What about racoon?  One can put up a good fight.  What about old tough wild tomcat?  Ouch.  How about try to get to know that neighbor better?  Try to get on friendly terms with them at least to the point of being able to call them nicely to inform them that their dog is on the loose.  If you are that concerned, then why not consider putting up your own fence?  Out on a walk?  Take a walking stick.  Is it possible that that pitbull is so lonely that all he could do is watch you all?  Are you sure he is only barking in his own rough deep rumbling way, not being mean at all?  Have you ever thought of trying to make a friend with that dog?  Leave doggie treats on his side of fence at regular time.  Maybe you'll be surprised.  Shuiti dog across the street sometimes slipped away.  He once came over and refuses to go back home on command and couldn't be caught, so I gave him a whack on his nose with a nose by surprise with a long stick.  I haven't seen him back over here since.  I'm not afraid to use powerful air rifle on any unwelcome critters around here.  It is not legal to fire any firearms within townlimit but multiplying rabbits can cause chaos in my gardens.  When I first moved here, I often see loose dogs.  But after pet license are required, I see very few.  Please do try "loving your neighbor" first.  Of course if neighbor fail to "love you back" then I'd quietly take pictures and call police every time you see that dog on the loose.  Dog pound too if police isn't much help.  Safety of your children comes first especially when others refuses to cooperate.

    Just my opinions...

  • Pitbulls have a pretty bad rep unfortunately.  I would use caution with any dog I wasn't sure was friendly and trained well.  But please don't discrimate against pitbulls (not that you are!).  A lot of times they are banned from living in various areas just because they are pitbulls.  Some are the nicest dogs and some aren't...as is the case with all dog breeds.  "Punish the deed, not the breed" comes to mind.  Just my thoughts~ Be Blessed, friend! Des

  • I know some people say it's not the breed that makes a bad dog but how they're raised, but when it comes to pit bulls I completely disagree. If it were up to me I'd ban then from the U.S. altogether.

    According to statistics (I've done a little homework on this subject) the breeds most commonly involved in attacks on people are Rottweilers and Pit bulls. I'm not trying to scare you but if it's one breed that makes me nervous it would be pit bulls and I completely understand your concern.

    No matter what the breed is I think people tend to forget that animals are just that... animals. And no matter how they're raised/trained they are, and always will be unpredictable and they can never be trusted completely. Even the beloved family pet. I'd keep a close eye on it and be very careful. And the minute I saw it out of it's own yard I'd call animal control. lol

  • /sigh.  I really get frustrated when I see a breed of dog getting picked on especially when facts being quoted are wrong.  Most big dogs are reported to be the worst at attacks, but that is simply not the case.  What they are unfortunately is the type of attacks that are reported more often because they do more damage.  Statistically speaking, SMALL dogs bite more than large dogs, however, because they do less damage the attacks are rarely reported.

    You should keep an eye out for ANY loose dog in the neighborhood if you are concerned about an attack and not because of breed.  If you were worried about breeds, you wouldn't have had a Springer Spaniel since they can have rage disorder and snap on ANYONE for any reason in a moments notice.  (Even if they have been completely normal their whole lives.)

    Judge the dog, not the breed, and do what you need to do to protect your children.  Keep in mind this comes from someone who has a 125 lbs. dog that Bethro78's kids used as a pillow while they watched movies.

  • I meant to say they are reported as the most often attacks, when it is actually smaller dogs.  EX dog groomer here.  Trust me.  A Lhasa Apso or a Cocker Spaniel will bite the crap out of you before a Chow, Rott, or a Pitbull. ;)

  • @mjh905 - 

    Oh, I haven't accused anyone of anything--this is me just thinking-out-loud.  We don't know those neighbors very well, but we get along fine with them.  When our dog died a couple of weeks ago, we gave them our *ginormous* unopened bag of dogfood we had just bought at Sam's!

    @atthefeetofmyFather - 

    No, I'm not discriminating--I hope I am being prudent!  I am always overprotective of my children (and myself!) around animals that do not belong to us.

    @Southernlass - 

    I've never heard of Springer Spaniel's having a rage disorder--my first Springer (Maggie) was a rescue and we intentionally bought Tag as a puppy because we loved Maggie so much.  I have always thought that they were the perfect dogs for children--we had no negative experiences with them. 

    I do wonder if there is a difference between "biting" and "attacking", though.  I only hear about the big dogs killing--I have never heard of cocker spaniels or little dogs killing people/children.

  • I think I understand what you meant.  I too was a bit concerned until I met my sister's pitbull.  Media does influence of how you look at things.  Try to think about the value of making friends with that dog so you could safely guide him back to where he is supposed to be especially if owners aren't home- even tying him up in your yard or put in your own kennel until owner comes home.  Just so that dog isn't running loose anymore.  Do to them as you would want them to do to you.  I don't report loose dogs because I have no proof as to who it belongs to and usually they are gone before I could return with a camera.  Should I get tranqulizer gun?  But then I do not want to mess with determining the dose so I won't accidentally kill it.  Is your dog running loose? then consider hard of how to keep him home.  Leash of any kind.  Kennel.  We use kennel for our dog, never used chain.  That kennel is escape-artist-proof (this took several repairs and modifications).  Teach and train your children to respect ANY animals especially those that don't live with them.

    It would be interesting to personally hear what police think about dog attack/biting.  Same goes for vets, groomer, and kennels.

    I think I know the difference between attack and biting.  No difference to a mother of injuried child!  First one was definately an attack- I personally saw it.  If I already have a rifle in my hand then, that dog would have been immediately dead.  This was on their property!  He was later was disposed by that family since dog became too aggressive towards his own children.  Second one, no proof but highly suspected that dog only snapped at her and her hand was in the way.  Nobody saw this happened.  I had Pinky show me which animal that 'bit' her (this was on a farm).  That dog never became aggressive with anybody since.  Think two year old treating other dogs the same way as our own without any regards.  Ouch.  These was during the months of me trying to train my daughter NOT to "squeeze" (with hands only, not at all like a hugging kind)  nor to pull on ears/tail.  Pinky improved tremedeously since then!

    While on loose dog subject- I would shoot any dog caught chasing a deer.  DNR man gave this advice.  Keep your mouth shut and bury the dog.  That way, you won't troubled by and/or get sued by dog owner.  That dog would simply dispappear without a trace.

    You think Springer is best dog for children.  Others think not. Okay.  I can see similar parelle with pitbull but I'm not sure how to put it down in words.

  • this is so hard--a friend of mine is having this issue but she doesn't have a fenced yard.  It really is the way a dog has been raised...yep, some are more quick to attack and when they do, they'll do more damage than other breeds.  We had a pit bull growing up and she was the sweetest, most loveable dog.  When it comes down to it, pit bulls are one of the better dogs to have with kids....as long as they come from a good line and are raised okay.  but of course you have idiots who think it's cool to make a dog mean and 'tough'. 

    My mom is an ER nurse, and about 95% of dog bites who come in are from rottweilers.  Now that is a dog that makes me nervous!  But again, it's all in how the dog is raised.

    Have you talked to your neighbors and asked if the dog has ever bitten anyone?  Or ask them if they mind you talking to it and making friends, giving it treats every now and then?  If you make friends with it then you'll probably feel better!

  • @sassykat1213 - I love Springer Spaniels, so don't get me wrong there.  You should look up Rage Disorder if you have never heard of it.  I have personally seen what they look like when they have it.  It's quite frightening.  I could scare the beegeezus out of you with some of the stories I have heard.  It was the one thing that kept me from ever getting one...which sucked because I think they are great dogs!

  • My hubby did some on-line searching when we got on our pit bull rampage last week... we were surprised to find that most pit bull related web sites were pro-pit bull. When our town's "no pit bull" ordinance was passed, some people complained because the town is now banning their family pets. The pit bulls behind us that I've been complaining about are no family pets, though... they're breeding and money-making machines and are left outside almost all the time.

    But, family pet or not, if the dog is barking at your kids and making you uncomfortable, I would begin documenting your concerns... I agree with the advice to take photos, call the police/dog catcher, etc. if the dog is loose or you are just flat-out worried.

    My anecdotal (read: not scientific! :wink-wink: ) evidence is that pit bulls are an unpredictable breed... I'm always saddened, but yet strengthened in my anti-pit bull position, when I read--with some fair regularity--about pit bulls who attack their own owners or other family members. ("Our dog had always been gentle before!")

  • @mjh905 - 

    @MommyinChrist - 

    The pitbull has only been outside the fence a few times--they are pretty good about keeping him in.  I don't know how much interaction he gets, though--like petting, training or fetching balls, etc.  I think I'll find out his (I'm assuming, LOL!) name and let my boys take a treat to him now and then--y'all both suggested this and I think it's a good idea!

    @Southernlass - 

    I looked it up and am surprised no one mentioned this to me before--it seems like the vet would know this information, and he knows we have small children...  I appreciate you telling me about it!  I am glad that our two never had those seizures or anything--but it does make me reconsider whether to get another Springer or not (we would like our chihuahua to have a friend to play with, but won't get another dog until after we move).

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